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Cider Not From Concentrate

Cider Not From Concentrate 06-08-2019

Making Cider Not From Concentrate

If I spend the whole time banging on about trusting your palate and not caring less about production if it doesn’t improve flavour – then why do I whine on about our methods using Devon grown cider apples and never using concentrate?

To casually suggest that the choice between using eating apples and cider apples to make cider is some sort of either or – is frankly both an arrogant snub to 1000 years of orcharding, and utterly fanciful. I’m not saying that ciders made of eating and cooking apples are bad, many are fine. But in the same way as thin Pinot Grigio cannot be compared to the Grand Vins of Bordeaux – nor can short fermented cull-fruit cider pretend it is of an equivalence to true autumn pressed west of England cider. This – I hasten to add does not mean true cider will be preferred, the truth is, it’s not for everyone.

It’s A Matter Of Taste

I do not speak ill of concentrate derived cider, or eating apple cider for what it is – because if someone likes it better than what I make, then that’s what they should drink. And both of the above still support local jobs, orcharding and cider making skills and products loved by millions. I bang on about our methods because I want people to taste the difference and understand how and from where the depth of flavour emerges.

The first difference from a cider made from concentrated juice as opposed to fresh autumn pressed juice will be its structure. As part of the concentration process enzymes are added to break down pectins which would jam up their machines, but it’s these which offer wonderful depth and body to our ciders. Their process involves heating fresh juice and evaporating the water element away until there is about 15% of the original juice left. If you taste the re-hydrated juice and compare it to fresh juice, there honestly is no comparison.

Cider fermentation vats at Sandford Orchards

Squeezing Passion Out Of The Process

Starting with a deconstructed juice is a flavour disadvantage – but once you have shrunk your year’s supply of juice to 15% of its volume, you can then blend all of your syrup together and you have a nice uniform product. By fast fermenting and kegging or bottling right away you also dodge the risks of maturation and long term storage of finished cider. From syrup to flashy font in 14 days! You also save masses of money on tanks to store it all in. You can produce a product which millions consume, is repeatable and at a low unit value. It’s good business. But for me, it lacks love.

Cider Not from Concentrate – Our Process

My team and I love the challenge of an autumn harvest, fresh cold-juice ferments with over 70 apple varieties each with their own foibles and characters. We love the slowly evolving character of the cider as it ferments and matures. Never mind 2 weeks – we won’t even introduce a cider into a blend until it’s at least 6 months matured, and then this is blended with cider well into its second year! As cider ages the tannins and polyphenols go on a journey  – and give us the magnificent layers and depth. These are on-show with our Fine Cider range in technicolor glory, but even more importantly in our lighter alcohol ciders, which we liquor-back with spring water to bring the abv to match our recipe. As with beer or tea or whisky, the amount of water one adds is a question of taste and judgement, because the water adds no flavours – we are using it to soften the power of the drink whilst allowing the cider to express itself, and because of the care we have taken from the orchard – right into the glass we know every bit of its character is still absolutely intact.

Why don’t we reduce the abv with apple juice? Because no cider maker ever did, and because it makes the cider taste of apple juice, perversely that’s not the point!

Sandford Orchards Fine Cider

We Have Nothing To Hide

We feel it’s right to share our techniques and methods we choose to do it, because it helps people understand the journey of natural cider making. We can’t give exact quantities, because our base ciders vary a great deal in abv – from 6% to 9% but as a rule of thumb, we use the stronger base for our stronger ciders and lighter cider for our lighter ciders. But we make each blend on its merits – typically each cider will be tasted by at least four cider makers at least four times before it makes it into a bottle or keg.

I have always been convinced that people would be bored rigid by this kind of chat. But month after month people pay a tenner to hear me bang on about it – and try some cider. Hang on, I’ve worked it out – they’re only here for the cider! Someone should tell me to button it.

6 comments on “Cider Not From Concentrate

    • Barny on

      Hi Donna,
      yes – our cider does contain sulphur. Specifically sulphur dioxide, it is produced naturally in fruit fermentations up to 10 parts free per million – we will typically add more to bring it up to 30 parts free per million. We do this to prevent microbial spoilage which helps keep the cider tasting fresh. For those sensitive to so2 I’m afraid this cam be enough to trigger a reaction. The legal limit in cider is 200parts total – and in packet bread 2000! No wonder it never goes mouldy. Our canned cider is lowest in so2, with a total under 15 parts free. This may be low enough for you to enjoy some.



  1. Della Smith on

    Beautifully written on the poetry of production! Beginning my journey in cidermaking and loved this article. The marriage between art and science in fermentation is endlessly fascinating. 🙂 Would love to visit this place someday! x

  2. Brian on

    Hi Barny,
    If I make my way over to your place from my home in Wales, how much cider do I get for my tenner? because it sounds thirsty work sitting and listening to you 👍😇

    • Barny on

      It certainly is thirsty work – you have to love being bored rigid about cider, apples, orchards, climate, soil – local history and goodness knows what else! Just a minor update, it’s no longer a tenner – as we sell the tour with a meal included with a five-cider flight. It’s £25, but sells out regularly enough to reckon you’ll get your value for money!

  3. John Stephens on

    Hi Barny.

    Do you blend the cider apples together before fermentation or after all the ciders have been fermented and then blend together? I’m fascinated by the way you get some wonderful amazing tastes per variety of cider. Loving your cider by the way, picked up quite a bit on the way back from holiday at Strawberry Fields Farm shop, Lifton Down, what a great place!



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